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Option for MDM to place app shortcuts on home screen
We have a great wish to place shortcuts for specific apps on the home screen when the app is installed (or at a later point), but this doesn't seem to be possible.
When we discuss this with our MDM provider (SOTI), we are told, it is a Google/Android limitation, and this seems a bit strange to me; is it really not possible to place shortcuts on the home screen to your own liking?
I hope this resonates with others - or even better; that I can be corrected, and there is a smart and easy way to achieve this goal.
We run all our Android devices as fully managed, if that is relevant.
28 Replies
- Alex_MucLevel 3.0: Honeycomb2 months ago
I tested DeX customization via the Knox Service Plugin quite a while ago. There is definitely a good selection of settings.
I believe that Samsung also supported a few basic settings such as a default background in Android Legacy. Even though it didn't work so well with COPE solutions, I thought it was a pity that it didn't make it into Android Enterprise.
- MoombasLevel 4.4: KitKat2 months ago
For the DEX screen only, yes.
There it worked at least as you can provide the app and X + Y coordinates and that worked well.
As you have only one screen, not as on normal homescreen, where you can have multiple, the "page" option is missing. And as said, limited to the dex screen itself, not affecting the normal home screen.
- MichelLevel 4.0: Ice Cream Sandwich2 months ago
A lot of things here are already mentioned by others, like the excellent respoonse from Moombas , but one thing is missing: Companies want to offer a unified experience when people recieve a new phone. Wether its in kiosk or outside, they want to make sure users know what to expect. Its easier for writing manuals on how to use a phone (yes, a lot of customers provide manuals for usage).
And it also helps in providing a nice an smooth onboarding for new employees while also giving them the option to create their own layout if they want. Something that a kiosk does not offer.
Lizzie , we do need that FR section as Moombas mentioned 😆
- LizzieGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
Yeah, I really like the idea that this would help to provide a smoother onboarding, first impressions with a new device (like anything) are always so important.
Do you feel this request comes up quite a lot? Michel
I'm also with you on the idea of having an FR board in the community. I was hoping to have a step towards this last year, but the timing just wasn't right and it's so important that an FR board on a community works well. I don't want to let you all down 😀 with your feature requests. Sooo one day, one day...
- MichelLevel 4.0: Ice Cream Sandwich2 months ago
oh yes, at least half of our customers would want to provide such service. They do it for their Windows laptops, so why not on a phone is something we hear on a regular basis.
Regarding the FR board, we will try and be patient a bit more. I'm all for something that works good before you release it!
- LizzieGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
ha, very true Stinus 😀
To the rephrased question, to be honest, I don't know the internal thinking of what is stopping us providing this option. To stagger a guess it probably is a mixture of the option to use kiosk mode or other requests coming ahead of it in the prioritisation - but I'm keen to explore this further to see if there are any other reasons for this.
Thanks for the additional details here.
I think this is an interesting topic and I'd like to get more thoughts on this or potential work arounds people have found. I know not ideally what you are looking for, but as this isn't possible today, let's continue to chat more on this.
(MobileDude, badams1, SF, cat_herder, kvko wondering if you might be interested in this topic - or anyone else?)
Thank you all and have a great weekend.
Lizzie
- SFLevel 1.6: Donut2 months ago
Hi Lizzie,
thank you for mentioning me.
At the moment, we do not have a use case for placing app shortcuts on home screens for normal user enrollments (such like fully managed or corporate owned personally enabled). Our need for placing app shortcuts is limited to kiosk configurations, where we use the available kiosk settings to place apps on the kiosk home screen.
Kind regards,
Sandy - MoombasLevel 4.4: KitKat2 months ago
Hey Lizzie,
even I'm from same spot as Stinus i think i can add more relevant information why a "kiosk" mode isn't a solution to us in any way. Just put on some facts:
- We provide configurations somehow globally to entire fleet if possible (if settings are the same).
- We try to have the settings in any country the same where "country" is the minimum to have the same setup from mobile side.
- But we can have different apps provided per country (yes many are the same but some countries have additional specific ones like voip app,...).
Negatives of a kiosk/lockdown (such in our scenario, there are ofc in other scenarios positives):
- With lockdown we remove the ability for stores to find more effective ways to sort the apps (we might be get notified about new order wished because was tested already by stores)
- Result: Less flexibility / improvement
- With lockdown we remove the ability to freely remove/add other shortcuts (even for ex. chrome web-shortcuts) if a (single) store finds it usefull.
- Result: Less flexibility
- If we would go with kiosk mode, we most likely would need to provide (worst case scenario) one kiosk (Lockdown called in our MDM) profile configuration per country (~30) to provide stores all relevant apps.
- Result: Massive workload in configuration and MDM distribution
- On each change (app removed, app added, placement changed) we would need to change it for minimum one country, most likely many countries (so up to ~30 times).
- Result: Massive workload in configuration/management
If we could arrange icons on homescreen from Android:
- We keep the flexibility for the users
- We don't need to take care of any app regarding shortcut (we only want to place some of the most important ones to defined places)
- A change (app or placement changes) would be a change in one profile (way less configuration/management effort)
- If it would be implemented in native Android:
- No need of external launchers
- maybe saving money (if a chosen launcher would come with costs)
- one less app/license to be managed
- still using native Android (troubleshooting is easier as external launchers also can be the cause of issues)
- making Android more flexible in this area which would mean also more attractive to enterprise
- some OS (partially) provide this already
- Motorola via oem config (in total)
- Samsung via oem config (only for DEX screen)
- No need of external launchers
And yes, there are few things which also need to be defined (maybe by options), like: Should these icons be "sticky" on their position or after first placement being allowed to be moved around? Should they moved back when they got deleted or moved? And so on...
In general we would need ideally X and Y placement + page + option if sticky or not (maybe per app). Everything could be an option by MDM (if you want to move them back if they got moved, just provide this setting again on a checkin resulting the icons to be moved to their defined position again).
- LizzieGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
Wow, what a reply Moombas - so many useful points here. Thank you for going into the level of detail you have here.
Out of interest how much impact do you feel this would have? And also do you have any feeling from other companies (I know we've heard from a couple of others here) whether this would be impactful too?
Thanks again (and happy Friday). 😀
- cat_herderLevel 2.0: Eclair2 months ago
Currently we leverage various 3rd party launchers, including one we built in-house, to accomplish this, so while I would certainly love to see similar functionality built into Android and manageable from MDMs (I'm always a fan of native functionality as it typically just works better), I'm not sure it is something that Google should prioritize. I'm certainly interested in this topic though.
- StinusLevel 1.6: Donut2 months ago
To be honest, I think the question is wrong; why don't you want to provide this special way of using a smartphone to your users?
Rather, I think the question should be; what is stopping Google Android from providing the option to present the homescreen in a customized way to end users?
But, to answer your question: early on, we have made a decision to let our store colleagues use the devices as regular smartphones with the functionality they would expect from their own device as opposed to using it as a purpose specific device, which can do only, what has been defined from IT. With our approach, we believe end users are free to find new and better ways to use the devices, and we encourage creativity in the use of mobiel devices.
Today, this means end users have to manually drag and drop shortcuts to whatever apps they prefer to the home screen, and we would love to be able to automatically present them with the most relevant apps up front.
I hope this clarifies our position.
Best, Stinus
- LizzieGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
Thanks Stinus for the additional context here.
I imagine that the internal recommendations for this specifically would be to use kiosk mode - which I know you would prefer to users to use normal interface. Is there any specific reasons why you'd prefer not to use kiosk mode?
If others also have thoughts on this please do share. I'd be happy to add these use cases to the FR. It all helps to provide extra context.
Thanks so much,
Lizzie
- StinusLevel 1.6: Donut2 months ago
Hi Lizzie.
I'm doing fine thanks, and hope the same goes for you.
Thanks for getting involved.
The request actually comes from our Retail organization, who would like store colleagues to have easy and obvious access to the most important operational apps, such as Outlook and Teams - and most importantly our Retail System app (Enactor Mobile POS), which is installed as an Enterprise App.
I hope this explains better the use case - otherwise I will be happy to try to elaborate further.
Best, Stinus
- LizzieGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
Hey team,
Stinus jeremy jasonbayton Moombas
Thanks for starting this conversation Stinus. (I hope you are doing well).
I'd love to hear more of your thoughts/use cases on this and I think it is a very reasonable ask. Is there a particular reason why you would like to pre-set/have shortcuts to apps on a device rather than say let users use the app draw?
Looking forward to hearing more.
Lizzie
- jeremyLevel 3.0: Honeycomb2 months ago
Would be great to have more options to customize the default kiosk launcher (wallpaper, choose which apps are displayed, and app placement)
- StinusLevel 1.6: Donut2 months ago
I fully understand this wish, but from our side we are more concerned with the options not using Kiosk Mode; we prefer to let users interact with the normal Android interface, and this is where I don't understand why Google can't (or won't?) provide the possibility of placing shortcuts on the home screen.
- RafaGoogle Community Manager2 months ago
Hi Stinus, I’ve now passed this on to the team as a feature request. It may take some time before there’s an update but we will keep you posted.
Thanks Moombas and jasonbayton for your input here. - StinusLevel 1.6: Donut2 months ago
Thanks a lot for the quick reply, jasonbayton.
But why is this? As I see it, Google should be able to provide this option, and I can only imagine, it will be very useful to a lot of customers.Hopefully, someone from the Android Enterprise Team can elaborate a bit.
- jasonbaytonLevel 4.1: Jelly Bean2 months ago
There are many things they could do but don't today. Resourcing and priorities (outside of revenue obligations) drive a lot of it, so it's probably just very far down the list.
We're into our 7th(?) year of AMAPI and still don't have feature parity with custom DPC, so plenty yet to do!
- MoombasLevel 4.4: KitKat2 months ago
And also missing the full access on a device when it's fully managed 🤣
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